Friday, November 25, 2005

"Negation" to define positives

Presence is the negation of absence.
Generally presence is a small set and absence is a jumbo set when compared to the former.
For instance

Let us consider defining "Being happy". Happiness is considerably difficult to define autonomously.
Happiness can have varied definitions : Bliss, State of delight, Being in great spirits; But these are are vague and needs further expansions and explanations we will end up with a recursive definition for it.
Instead 'Unhappiness' is easy to define and quantify ..
For instance for me
Unhappiness = { Being unwell , Failing , After a fight , ... }

Now happiness can easily be defined a negation / absence of unhappiness.
This again is a vague description because happiness and unhappiness are not just 2 elements of a binary system are certain fuzzy states in between. For example there are certain times when we are neither happy nor unhappy. However the previous definition does not account for this.

There are many instances in the vedas and other scriptures where the presence is defined as the negation of absence good is said to be the negation of bad.
Here I quote 2 such instances:
Advaita ... ( flicked from http://www.wie.org/j14/shankar.asp?page=2 )

why is it called "nondualism?" God is one, isn't it? Why is the word "advaita" being used? Advaita means not two. Why did the sages not say "one?" Why did they say "not two?"...to come back to the point, the word "advaita" is used to indicate not two! And the reason why is because the mind functions in a very linear way, from point A to points B, C, D, E, F and so on in a straight line—are you with me so far? Therefore, the moment you say "one," it means that there are two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight and so on and so forth. The moment you say "one," it means the possibility exists of two. One has got meaning only with relation to the other numbers; otherwise it has none. And the moment you say "one," two has already penetrated into it. That is why they don't say "ekant." They say "NOT TWO!" And NOT TWO means what? That the many has disappeared. But this is only indicated by a process of negation.


Swades...

Swades movie ... Pal Pal song... has a phrase " Man se ravan jo nikale . Ram uske man mein hai ".Ram is the good. Ravan is the evil. Ram 's existance is defined as the absence of ravan. Meaning we inherently become good when we root out the bad within us.



10 comments:

Radha said...

hi harini. dint understand tat advaitha thing. do explain it to me in person.

but tat swades song just reinforces wat i always believed in!!(think u wud have read it in my blog)..but which u had contradicted long ago..

bcos jus like u said tat happiness/unhappiness similarly gud/evil has many states... its gray..

Harini said...

heyy rada prob because i used the word "inherently" u r getting confused.
Every thing is a shade of grey. Agreed obviously.

here wat i mean to say is :
Ravan=bad...
Lack of any form of bad=god.
It is just a way of defining.
I dont want to comment on reason for being evil is external/internal.
Its just tat when some one is good,then they are surely NOT bad.
There is only one GOOD.
But u can be slightly bad,bad or very bad.but only one good.
I always said its ok if some one is bad.. all of us are bad slightly.big deal.
But when u ar good.u r purely good.U become GOD.
Ref Anbe sivam.

PS:good/bad are relative terms

scoffes said...
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scoffes said...

what is GOOD ?
what is BAD ?

and lack of any form = GOOD ? or GOD ?

and who's definition is that ?

and why cant i be good , very good and shooting out of the roof good ?

man u got me all confused !!

scoffes said...

and i kinda do get the advaita thing .
but i'm not sure !

anyway check out me blog on happiness:
http://scoffes.blogspot.com/2005/01/tow-all-happi-ness.html

and hey keep posting !

Anonymous said...

@ harini

Wow harini. i mean seriously wow!! Was al tat philo ur own ?!

And somehow always goes way over my head..!!

Harini said...

GOOD and BAD are highly relative terms. I don want to get into describing such vague terms.Lets assume that we know wat is good and bad.

I am justing making one point here:
Ok. just think good as a single pont. And bad as an infinite circle surrounding this center.You may be close to the centre but till U reach the center itself u are not there.


"and why cant i be good , very good and shooting out of the roof good ?" .

You cant. It is singularity.

Harish Suryanarayana said...

Plato Plato !!! Where art thou ? Read his observations on opposites . He actually proves that reincarnation exists with it .

Anonymous said...

okay.............so???

vallabha said...

"Ekameva dwitiyate" ! Heard that somewhere kya? To dispel ur doubts abt why "Advaita" and not "ekam..", the human mind has a set level of perception and the limits to contemplation are defined by the manifest forms! Thus abstractions are defined by negation!